Slaves North
Good morning, Gentlemen. Mr. Combs, you’ve written some good material in SHNV and we need you back there. I see Mr. Hite’s reply to you re the South’s motives in seceding is posted here
…. but I feel a more radical approach to the subject is warranted. I’m happy to point out to you that in purely factual terms, the slavery "issue" is totally dead in the water and always has been….. even if the Southern states did secede in defense of slavery.
That is because of the context of it all. The North had sold the South virtually all its slaves and had been no less guilty of owning and abusing slaves than any other society. That’s right — there were tons of slave plantations in Northern states, and from everything I’ve read that’s where the real "Simon Legree" cruelties took place!
Here’s a surprisingly frank, if still heavily whitewashed, account of the situation…. in a New England pride and lore website!
This is coming out in all manner of liberal yankee "mainstream" media outlets — but unlike their treatment of slave "guilt" in the South, each such newspaper or magazine that covers this genuine historical horror does so only once or twice and then thoughtfully lets the subject sink beneath the waves. The rootless, satanic mega-corporations buying ads in those print and broadcast media have a psycho-political agenda for us, and it doesn’t include disturbing the "common knowledge" about things that far!
There are websites, books, articles, lectures galore dedicated to exposing the myth of Southern guilt — the biggest Big Lie of American history. The North’s involvement in merchandising slaves, whipping their hides and working them to death is in total eclipse. Virtually never seen, never discussed, never so much as thought of in the informational "meainstream". In coverage of the un-Civil War, this supposedly definitive moment and subject in all of America’s experience, one half of it is as the dark side of the moon. Does it strike you as peculiar?
CONTEXT is everything. There is no meaning to anything without it. Responsible Bible scholars remind each other "A text without a context is a pretext." And the entire context of slave history not only exonerates the South, but reveals it anew as one of the best, kindest, realest, most prosperous and law-abiding countries in known history. I’m not even going to go into Dixie’s virtues here — the CONTEXT says it all, and the essence of it is that the North had been the real cancerous growth through most of American history.
The North had attempted to exploit and discredit the South almost from the beginning — and by the way it’s still doing so via monstrosities like the Voting Rights Act. Yankees are the real embodiment of bigotry, racism, tyranny, belligerence and all the other things they accuse others of. The North’s record on race relations is and has always been hypocritical in the extreme. Why did the Underground Railroad end in Canada?  Because so many Northern states banned entry by ex-slaves after the war and viciously punished those who did cross their borders.
Where have most race riots occurred in or lifetime? In the North and West, of course — one of the most shocking ever in Cincinnati just a few years ago! I don’t support "Martin Luther" King or what his ilk made of the "civil rights" movement, but somebody asked him at a lecture up north what the difference was between the "struggle" as seen in Birmingham and Boston. He answered that Birmingham had changed

[in response to his movement] while Boston never would! I believe it was you, HK, who originally told me that.
The North was a criminally insane rapist-murderer by nature, and rape-murder is exactly what it committed under color of "the glory of the coming of the Lord". Its next feat was killing off untold thousands of Indians under its newly coined motto "the only good Indian is a dead Indian". The real question should never have been how the South could have defended slavery but how the North retained any credibility at all once it started getting on its abolitionist soapbox. And that’s still the question today. Things are upside-down and backwards expressly because yankees and other communists own the information industry — as they did to an alarming extent back then. Horace Greeley had Karl Karx writing a column cheering the yankees on in the former’s New York Tribune newspaper during the War. Is any further discussion needed?
I trust many of you will click the SeacoastNH and Slavenorth links above — they’ve both been up for quite a long while, and I think their owners need to know they’re still being read. (Tellingly, no mention of the word "slave" in SeacostNH’s lengthy and varied homepage!) Of course, all links I’ve cited here don’t even scratch the surface of the main subject at hand. Thanks to Google, further research is at everyone’s fingertips, but for now I’ll close with just one chapter in it via a suburban Chicago daily newspaper.
<<<An ugly era in Illinois
Mon Jul 12, 8:22 AM ET [2004] By Tom O’Konowitz, Daily Herald Staff Writer
When "Uncle Bob" Wilson died nearly 60 years ago, the 112-year-old was remembered as one of the nation’s oldest Civil War veterans, a religious man who always made it to church even as old age told his body not to.
After his death in 1948, the former slave was buried in a small cemetery behind the Elgin veterans home at the Elgin Mental Health Center, where he spent the last seven years of his life. His obituary ran on the front page in Elgin, and it chronicled his life from birth on a Virginia plantation and service in the Confederate Army to work as a farmer and then a preacher after the Emancipation Proclamation took hold in 1863.
The man whose 112th birthday was celebrated with a big party – and even recognized by the governor – today is mostly forgotten. The cemetery where his body lies is overgrown, the letters on his simple grave marker faded by the elements.
Slipping away, too, is memory of the most storied part of Uncle Bob’s life – a major part that didn’t make it into his obituary. A lamentable part that one downstate historian wants to ensure no longer is absent from Illinois history.
A story never told
In an upcoming book, historian Jon Musgrave of downstate Marion will advance his theory that Uncle Bob was a "stud slave" who was forced by his masters to impregnate slaves at plantations in several states, including Illinois.
It’s a story out of sync with the Land of Lincoln, home of the Great Emancipator.
Some historians are skeptical of Uncle Bob’s story, calling it nothing more than legend, but Musgrave insists that historic accounts passed down over the years and interviews with some who knew Uncle Bob convince him it’s true.
"In terms of Illinois, in terms of Springfield, this is one of the stories they don’t want told – this is slavery in the Land of Lincoln. That doesn’t go well together," Musgrave said. "This guy was a real person – he’s not a character. We have to learn our history – the good and the bad."
Musgrave says Uncle Bob fathered as many as 300 children into slavery, including dozens at what now is called the Old Slave House, which Musgrave and other Illinois historians agree was a station on the "Reverse Underground Railroad," in downtstate Equality.
Musgrave’s critics say there simply is no credible evidence proving Uncle Bob was forced to be a stud slave.
William Furry, assistant director of the Illinois State Historical Society, which is an independently run nonprofit agency, doubts the validity of Uncle Bob’s story. "There are no records to substantiate it. There’s no lineage," he said.
But Musgrave counters with his interviews of dozens of workers from the Elgin state hospital, where Uncle Bob lived from 1941 until his death, and they recalled being convinced by Uncle Bob’s telling of his story.
A welfare investigator who worked with Uncle Bob in Chicago after he was freed also reported hearing the story firsthand and found it credible.
And former residents of and visitors to the Old Slave House have passed along to Musgrave historic accounts they’ve received over the years that Uncle Bob was held there to be used as a stud slave.
While they disagree about Uncle Bob’s role, historians Musgrave and Furry do agree that the "non-slave state" of Illinois had other egregious – but often overlooked – examples of slavery in its first decades that should not be wiped out from history as they claim some state officials are trying to do.
Most startling to him, Musgrave said, is the fact that the Old Slave House, also known as the Crenshaw House or Hickory Hill plantation, likely was used as part of the Reverse Underground Railroad.
Historic accounts and court records indicate the plantation house was used from the 1820s to 1840s by owner John Hart Crenshaw to kidnap blacks from the North and take them to the South so they could be sold into slavery.
While Musgrave wants to get Uncle Bob’s story before the public, neither he nor Furry wants the sordid past of the Old Slave House glossed over and forgotten. And both men believe officials with the state, which bought the Old Slave House to preserve it, are trying to erase the true history of the building by commemorating it as a respectable historic plantation instead of the last remaining Reverse Underground Railroad stop it’s believed to be.
"It’s such an unsavory story, the state would like to stay away from it. They’re trying to whitewash it," Furry said. "It’s not as clean, but it’s a history that needs to be told."….