Racial Turbulence
 
From: johough@swbell.net
 
In the response to the  Brandon Givens’ message we are given some ABSOLUTELY TERRIFIC TRUTH FROM THE BRAIN AND THE PEN OF VALERIE PROTOPAPAS.    I failed to read the Givens’ message but I have read,  greatly appreciate, and agree with 99.9 percent of Valerie’s response to it.
 
With only one of Valerie’s statements must I disagree—that found in her final sentence in which she claims there is no connection between the Civil War and the blacks vs whites problems of today.
 
I contend that the racial troubles of today do indeed go right back to the time of the UnCivil War—but, undoubtedly my perspective of the source of the problem is vastly different from that of Givens.  I have concluded from extensive studies that today’s problems in the South are decidedly related to long ago Marxist/Communist plans concerning all blacks and, especially, black slaves in the South.  The Communist plans were formulated by 1848.  Those same plans were brought, aggressively, back into action in the 1960’s.  (Check out the various photos found on line of Martin Luther King in attendance in Communist classes.)
 
The plans were implemented throughout the land by complacent, eager to be thought tolerant, non-black Americans. (Check out all the Jeff Davis streets renamed Martin Luther King Something or the Other.)
 
The Communist’s anti-Confederate-anti South propaganda created in the 1800s was flooded into every northern publication and, eventually, into the minds of every Southern child via his schooling.  The most intense pouring out of propaganda was done, as might be expected, in those schools (public schools of the South)  most controlled by the all powerful central government, but all schools eventually spread the Marxist words. What are those words?
 
"The war of the Southern Confederacy is, therefore, not a war of defense, but a war of conquest, a war of conquest for the extension and perpetuation of slavery."  (Karl Marx)
 
Continued on Deo Vindice  at http://Joan-hough.blogspot.com/
 
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From: vaproto@optonline.net
To: brandongivens@hotmail.com
 
http://www.gainesvilletimes.com/section/24/article/66487/
 
I’m afraid that you are too simplistic. Historically, slavery has been the driving economic system in Africa. White Europeans (and Americans) didn’t go to the continent to "catch" slaves; they went to purchase them from the African chieftains and kings who had in turn captured them in their interminable tribal wars. So the concept of "white guilt" where slavery is concerned is nonsense. Indeed, the first man in the colonies to own a black slave for life had himself been an indentured servant who had bought his way out of slavery and purchased a fellow slave. The problem with making this into a black/white issue, is that the first owner of a black slave was himself black! So much for simplicity!
 
As for Jim Crow: that was a United States Supreme Court decision – Plessy v. Ferguson – which established the "separate but equal" concept which was the foundation of segregation. Indeed, the only Justice to vote against it was a Southerner!
 
The relationship between the races in ante-bellum America requires careful study. In the South, there was a great deal of amiability. Blacks (even slaves) shook hands with whites and conversed with them on the streets and though the relationship was surely hierarchical (with whites on the top), there was very little animosity between the races. It was quite another thing in the North where "black codes" prevented blacks from entering (much less resettling) in many Northern states and territories. All of this information is available if one cares to look.
 
And one of your commentators was quite correct. The horror that was ‘reconstruction’ pitted blacks against Southern whites while the Radical republicans disenfranchised white Southerners and state governments fell into the hands of unlearned and naive blacks who were led by carpetbaggers and scalawags to decimate those states, looting them of millions of dollars while the North’s own Klan – the Union League – carried out terrorism against Southern whites and those blacks who refused to go along with the program.
 
No, Mr. Givens, the subject is very deep, very convoluted and the situation today is very much the result of political and ideological events that had nothing to do with the War of Secession and, in fact, happened long after the guns fell silent.
 
Valerie Protopapas