Controversy erupts over Confederate soldiers in Veterans Hall of Fame
By Holly Gregory, Anchor/Reporter
Last Updated: Monday, March 02, 2015
The Civil War ended 150 years ago, but a new battle front has opened up in Tallahassee.
Lawmakers may have to decide whether Confederate soldiers can be inducted into the state’s Veterans Hall of Fame. It’s a wall in the Capitol building honoring vets who went on to make great contributions to Florida.
Three Confederate nominees are causing a stir:
Edward Perry served the South in the Civil War and went on to make become Florida’s 14th governor.
David Lange wore Confederate gray. He went on to become a state lawmaker and help found the Florida National Guard.
Samuel Pasco fought against the Union and became a U.S. senator and the namesake of Pasco County.
Their nominations were temporarily tossed out after the Department of Veterans Affairs said Confederate soldiers are technically not veterans.
That isn’t sitting well with David McCallister of the Sons of Confederate Veterans. The group is fighting to have the soldiers included.
"The United States Congress has recognized that Confederate veterans are U.S. veterans and are to be accorded the honor and privileges accorded all veterans,“ he said.
On the other side of issue is the NAACP. The president of the Florida NAACP Conference started an online petition to ban Confederate soldiers from the Veterans Hall of Fame.
The petition says, in part: “They fought to tear apart our country in support of savage slavery, in a misguided, hateful attempt to uphold that abomination.”
The Florida Cabinet is expected to discuss whether Confederate soldiers can be inducted into the Florida Veterans Hall of Fame at their next meeting on March 10. If they can’t reach a decision, they may ask the Legislature to get involved.
From: 'email@example.com' firstname.lastname@example.org [FlagFight] <FlagFight@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sat, Feb 28, 2015
Subject: [FlagFight] CONFEDERATE MEMORIAL CIRCLE - DEDICATION MAY 23, 2015 - HISTORIC LIVE OAK CEMETERY - SELMA, ALA - Y'ALL COME!
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We hope you ALL will make plans to attend this historic & monumental event!
We Won! We have the deed to Confederate Memorial Circle!
It’s time to Celebrate, Commemorate & Re-Dedicate!
The Friends of Forrest and Selma Chapter 53, UDC
Cordially Invite You to Attend & Share
The Celebration of our Historical & Monumental Victory!!!
Saturday, May 23, 2015
Confederate Memorial Circle
Historic Live Oak Cemetery
A Guided Tour of Live Oak Cemetery
Reception to follow program at the
Smitherman Building Museum
(The Original Site of the NB Forrest Monument)
109 Union Street
The host hotel is the Quality Inn here in Selma – 334-874-8600. I have blocked off 15 rooms at the Special Friends of Forrest rate of $69 per night plus tax. There are only 60 rooms in the hotel so call NOW for your reservations! May 23, 2015 is Memorial Day weekend. This will give out-of-towners an extra day for travel back home & work or to stay an extra day to tour Historic Selma! For more information contact: Pat Godwin at 334-875-1690; 334-419-4566 (cell) or e-mail: email@example.com
Confederate Memorial Circle was originally dedicated 137 years ago on 26 April 1878. It’s time to celebrate, commemorate & re-dedicate Confederate Memorial Circle where we will re-dedicate the Nathan Bedford Forrest Monument by unveiling the REPLACEMENT bronze bust of Lt. General Nathan Bedford Forrest. We will re-dedicate the Confederate Soldiers’ Memorial and also the new Battle of Selma Memorial. This will be a HUGE MONUMENTAL HISTORICAL event- the most paramount Confederate accomplishment throughout the South in recent times because we beat the enemy in their own territory, the Civil Rights hotpot of the world! We have won our case against the City of Selma. Selma Chapter 53, UDC has been awarded the deed to the one acre Memorial Circle plus the Pigeoneers House! Our Security & Beautification Enhancement of Confederate Memorial Circle project has been quite a test of patience, endurance, perseverance and faithful dedication of all our supporters. We are very GRATEFUL for ALL our supporters and contributors toward our efforts to defend, protect and preserve our noble Southern history and heritage here in Selma. Even though we are having the dedication on May 23, this project is not quite finished. We still have LOTS to pay for and also erect 19 bronze historical interpretive markers throughout the Circle. These historical markers will cost approximately $1500 each. We are also still selling the ancestor pavers; (4x8 – 3 lines, 18 characters - $50; 8x8 - 6 lines, 18 characters, $65) if you want your paver laid by dedication day please place your order NOW! However, we will continue to sell the pavers until we have all 4 quads filled with engraved pavers. This entire project is TAXDOLLAR FREE – only private donations have funded this project! Contact me at 334-875-1690 for order form & information. If you would like to contribute to this historical, monumental project, please make check payable to and MARK FOR: CONFEDERATE MEMORIAL CIRCLE:
NBF Monument Fund/Selma Chapter 53, UDC
C/o Patricia S. Godwin
10800 Co. Rd. 30
Selma, Alabama 36701
Keepin’ the skeer on’em!
Patricia S. Godwin
CONTRIBUTION OPPORTUNITIES TO BE A PART OF THIS HISTORIC & MONUMENTAL PROJECT - WE APPRECIATE ANY AND ALL DONATIONS!
4X8 PAVER - $50 – (3 Lines, 18 Characters)
8X8 PAVER - $65 – (6 Lines, 18 Characters)
$500 DONATION – Name/Organization will be listed on “DONORS 500” plaque
$1500 DONATION FOR BRONZE MARKER – Name/Organization will be added at the bottom of the marker
FRIENDS OF FORREST T-SHIRT - $25 (Sizes: M, L, XL, XXL)
8x10 COLOR COLLAGE OF NBF MONUMENT - $10 – (While still at the Smitherman Building Museum in 2000-2001)
The Guilt Complex Industry
Posted on February 25, 2015
by Al Benson Jr.
Marxist Cultural Genocide takes many forms, everything from destroying the cultural symbols of a people to making them feel guilty about who they are, making them ashamed to be what they are so they long to be something else.
Ever since the supposed end of the War of Northern Aggression (it never truly ended because it was a culture war) in 1865 it has been the main chore of the Yankee/Marxist propaganda mills to make sure the Southern people never felt good enough about themselves or their Cause that they would stand up and defend either their Cause or themselves. These subversive tactics ranged everywhere (and they are blatantly apparent in our day) from the removal of Confederate flags, statues and even street and park names to trying to make Southern folks feel guilty about their Southern accents. I think I’ve mentioned this before, but I once talked to a couple of nurses in a doctor’s office I visited. They noted the difference between my accent and theirs and they told me “we sound stupid.” I tried to disabuse them of such foolishness and asked them right out “who told you that you sound stupid?” No reply, but they were convinced that their Southern accents made them sound dumb, ignorant, or whatever and I could not convince them otherwise.
They even have courses in some colleges to help Southern young folks “get rid” of their Southern accents and sound just like those cookie-cutter models you see on the network “news” programs. Yuk!!! Give me a good Southern accent anytime! I guess one way to promote egalitarianism is to try to make everyone sound alike. Again, yuk! No matter what noble sounding reasons they attempt to give for this kind of thing, it is still cultural genocide. You are consciously tearing down Southern cultures and speech patterns and what are you replacing them with–a New Jersey accent? Heaven help us!
I’ve been watching much of what has gone on in Lexington and Charlottesville, Virginia recently, where Confederate flags are being removed, not allowed to fly anywhere except maybe on one day a year, or where holidays commemorating Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson are being “removed” so they are no longer celebrated–but you’ll notice they are quick to celebrate Martin Luther King day or Black History month. You have to wonder in these towns what holiday will replace Lee-Jackson Day, the celebration of Che Guevarra’s birthday maybe or Fred Shuttlesworth Day? If you don’t know who these last two names are, look them up while you can still find them on the Internet, before it is “neutralized.”
One major thing guaranteed to make Southern folks ashamed of who they are is the slavery question. This has been trotted out for so long by so many that it has finally gotten old. Southerners are constantly having the slavery issue thrown in their faces. Like they never had slaves in the North? Again, do a little homework. There is still evidence on the Internet (though it may disappear shortly) that shows that slavery was a going concern in the North. Most of you have probably heard of the state of Rhode Island, but how many of you know the full name of the state? It is the State of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations. Want three guesses as to why they named it that? Anyone that informs you that they never had any slaves in the North really hopes you are dumb, and if you are that dumb, maybe he can sell you a gold brick–genuine gold at bargain basement rates! Just give him your bank account number and he’ll deposit it in your account immediately if not sooner. The major difference between slavery in the North and in the South was that the Northern folks did away with it a few years earlier than the South did. And many Northerners that had slaves sold them South and after they’d got paid for them, told Southern folks that having those slaves was a sin and they should get rid of them. If it had been such a sin then why didn’t the Northerners emancipate them instead of selling them? You see, guilt often depends on whose ox gets gored (or who makes the profit).
One way the Yankee/Marxists have been able to instill guilt into Southern folks is via the public school system. You train three or four generations of public school kids with the idea that what their ancestors fought for was inherently evil and eventually, believe it or not, you are going to come up with a batch of kids that really believes that, and they end up feeling guilty because of who they are and not because of anything they ever did. I recall talking to a pastor once who told me that “after the War Between the States the South was the most heavily brainwashed part of the country.” He was right. Having lived down here for several years (and even before that) I have seen examples of it. Iv’e met Southerners who feel so much guilt over being born in the South that they feel this compelling need to atone for that sin by embracing Abraham Lincoln and the Union flag and denouncing as traitors anyone who will not do that. Someone from Georgia did that to me once and I replied with Patrick Henry’s famous quote “If this be treason then make the most of it.” I found it ironic that he, born and raised in the South felt the compelling need to wrap himself in Lincoln and his collectivist cause while I, born and raised in the North, felt, in the words of my friend, Donnie Kennedy that “the South was right.”
This kind of cultural genocide continues today, even as I write this. There are Marxist mentalities in Washington, New York, and other environs around the country that are working overtime to destroy the culture of the South, a culture more biblically based than anything they ever grew up in. I have long contended that the Christian base of Southern culture is really what they are trying to destroy. I haven’t yet seen anything to make me change my mind. The Christian faith is really hated by those people and those people actively work at trying to destroy it.
The Cultural Genocide Marxists are at war with the Christian faith and it’s time more of the Christians woke up and realized that.
From: Virginia Flagger <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Date: Tue, Mar 3, 2015
Subject: Va Flaggers: Charlottesville City Council Strikes 127 Year Tradition in Latest Assault on Confederate History
Since the January announcement that Charlottesville City Councilman Kristen Szacos had proposed an ordinance change that would eliminate the Lee-Jackson City Holiday in Charlottesville, we have shared information about the rich Confederate history of the city. One of my favorite topics is the presentation of a battle flag to the men of Stuart’s Horse Artillery, hand sewn by the ladies of Charlottesville by the Mayor and City Council of Charlottesville, after they managed to turn back the Yankee army, against 5 to 1 odds, and save the city from destruction during the Battle of Rio Hill on February 29, 1864. There is a good summary here…
When our friend Blaine Hypes, of the Flat Top Copperheads in WV, saw one of the posts about the flag, he contacted me and told me he had a replica and wanted us to have it to use in our fight in Charlottesville. I was thrilled, but even more so when I received it and it turned out to be a custom-made beauty! Last night, we took the flag with us, and before the meeting, visited the Confederate monument, just a few blocks away from council chambers. A citizen passing by offered to take a photo of us holding the flag.
When we arrived at council chambers, 45 minutes early, there was already a line to sign up for one of 12 available slots for public speaking. We were disappointed when we made our way to the sign-up sheet, and realized that we were numbers 13, 14, and 15 in line, respectively, and none of us would have the opportunity to speak. With a full half hour left before the meeting was to begin, we saw the Charlottesville citizen who had been shouted down at the last meeting when he spoke in favor of the Lee-Jackson holiday, and I took the flag over to show him and chat with him a bit. I went back to my seat, admittedly frustrated that we wouldn’t have the opportunity to speak. Moments later, someone tapped my shoulder, and when I looked up, it was the same gentleman, who had come to offer us his slot to speak. He said that he speaks at every meeting, and he wanted us to have the opportunity to do so since we had come so far. Overwhelmed by his generous offer, we accepted and quickly decided to combine the contents of the presentations we had prepared and that I would deliver the address.
I included the history of the flag, and Patrick and Barry held it up as I spoke. Video of my remarks can be viewed here, with special thanks to Terry L. Hulsey of Fort Worth, TX, for granting me permission to use a quote from his correspondence to City Council... and David Tatum for posting the video…
Transcript of remarks:
Honorable Mayor, Councilors, Citizens of the Charlottesville and the Commonwealth,
Since I last spoke in these chambers, much has been made about the fact that I, and a few others who spoke against the proposed amendment to remove the Lee-Jackson holiday, are not Charlottesville residents, as if that somehow makes what we have to say irrelevant. After witnessing the way speakers in this chamber were treated who dared to have an opinion different than those of the vocal citizens in attendance, I can completely understand why the hundreds of citizens of Charlottesville who have contacted us do not feel comfortable attending these meetings or speaking up in this atmosphere. In addition, we heard from city employees who are upset about the proposed change, but fear that if they speak out in any way, there will face retaliation from what they see as a biased and prejudicial administration.
Charlottesville has a rich Confederate history. On March 7, 1864, the ladies of Charlottesville presented a hand sewn flag to the men of Stuart’s Horse Artillery after the unit, facing 5 to 1 odds, stopped the Yankee army from burning and destroying Charlottesville. The battle flag was carried by the unit until it surrendered in April of 1865, and is now on display in the Jefferson County Museum in Charles Town, WV. The flag shows the patina of age, along with the rents of battle, but it continues to serve as a reminder of what might have been the worst day in Charlottesville history, if not for the courage of its brave defenders.
Some friends in West Virginia had a replica made and we brought it today to the show the assembly.
I would like to again point out the real and present danger of the precedence you are setting, should you decide to eliminate this holiday tonight. If you take it upon yourselves to strike down a holiday that was established by the duly elected representatives of this city, you are opening the door to having the same thing happen to Thomas Jefferson Day, for instance, should a future council decide he is not “worthy of honoring”. I, and many of those present here, witnessed one of your own citizens call for the removal of every trace of Thomas Jefferson from the very city that he helped build, and receive APPLAUSE and CHEERS in this chamber, following his remarks. Certainly, you MUST see that once you open this door, there will be no end to the PC cleansing of our history and heritage.
In the background of this proposed amendment, Charlottesville’s commitment to be a “Community of Mutual Respect” is cited, apparently as one of the reasons for this change, which reads:
“In all endeavors, the City of Charlottesville is committed to racial and cultural diversity, inclusion, racial reconciliation, economic justice, and equity. As a result, every citizen is respected. Interactions among city leaders, city employees and the public are respectful, unbiased, and without prejudice.”
How can you possibly claim cultural diversity when you choose to dishonor Confederate Veterans, whose descendants make up a large segment of your population? How can you suggest that this amendment will promote racial reconciliation, when it serves to divide instead of bring people together? How can you claim that this decision is unbiased, and without prejudice when it singles out an entire group of people and dishonors their heritage?
I understand that at least one member of this very Council has suggested that the Confederate Memorials here in Charlottesville, yes, even, the magnificent equestrian sculpture of Robert E. Lee, copied in many localities across the U.S., should be removed, and by your actions tonight, you will show the Commonwealth and the nation whether or not you are heading down that very dangerous path.
But, even if you choose to move forward with this desecration, and should your backwater tyranny temporarily succeed, you will, ultimately, fail. History will remain unchanged, and the sterling character of Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson will remain, long after your names are forgotten.
I urge you to set aside the prejudice and bias which led to this proposed amendment, and leave the Lee-Jackson Holiday as is.
When the public speaking period ended, Councilmen responded to the public comments and not one of them addressed the Lee-Jackson Day issue. Not only that, but instead of calling for a vote and having each councilman publicly record their vote for or against the ordinance, they approved it unanimously as part of a “consent agenda”, bundled with a number of other resolutions and appropriations. This was obviously intentional and a predetermined method of avoiding making any type of individual public statement... a cowardly move, and stunning even for those who were well versed on the background and history of this council.
Returning home after midnight, I received a message from someone suggesting that going to Charlottesville had been a waste of time. I strongly disagree. Even though there were a few moments Monday afternoon when, thinking of other things that demanded my attention, I considered bowing out, those of us who attended were overwhelmingly grateful that we had taken the time to do so. We had the opportunity to once again go on public record against the Council, share a bit of Confederate history with a packed chamber (including a large number of local high school students in attendance), and made sure that Council knew there were at least a handful of citizens who will not go quietly into the night. On top of all that, we got to flag City Council! ;)
That alone would have been enough to make the trip worthwhile, but as we were leaving we had conservations with no less than TWO local residents about putting Battle Flag Memorials on their property in Charlottesville. It appears that City Council has alienated a large segment of its population, and we can only pray that the unwarranted assault on the Lee-Jackson holiday will serve as a wake-up in Charlottesville, and across the Commonwealth. In addition, a local resident who is involved with public access television offered to have us develop a regular segment, highlighting Confederate history and heritage defense issues!
We left Charlottesville disgusted by the manner in which the Charlottesville City Council took it upon themselves to strike down a holiday which had been rightfully observed in the city since 1888… but with the satisfaction of knowing that taking a stand for what is right is ALWAYS the right thing to do, no matter what the odds.
We only wish there had been hundreds more there to stand with us.
Many thanks to all those who took the time to write letters and emails and make phone calls to members of City Council. Your support is greatly appreciated and was not in vain. They may have won this battle, but we have no intention of giving up the fight. Stay tuned...
Thursday, March 5th: Flagging the VMFA, 200 N. Boulevard, 2:00 p.m. - 6:00 p.m.
Saturday, March 7th: Flagging the VMFA 200 N. Boulevard, 11:00 am - 3:00 pm
Saturday, March 28th – Sunday, March 29th: Fork Inn/Sutherland’s Tavern Heritage Days. We will have a booth at the event, and will be partnering with the Army of Northern Va Mechanized Calvary to raise a roadside flag that weekend.
Saturday, April 4th: Last Capitol of the Confederacy Sesquicentennial Ball – Danville, VA
Saturday, May 9th: Oakwood Cemetery Memorial Day Ceremony – Save the date! More details to follow!
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Driving the South to Secession
It is said that if the Crittenden Compromise of December, 1861 had been submitted to the people, it would have had far-reaching effect in arresting the secession movement except for the already-departed South Carolina. By January, the opportunity had passed though the Republicans showed by their support of the proposed 13th Amendment that slavery was truly not an issue, and that their coming war against the American South was expressly for other reasons.
Bernhard Thuersam, www.Circa1865.com
Driving the South to Secession
“From Buffalo, on January 18, 1861, he [Horatio Seymour] wrote Senator Crittenden of Kentucky in support of his scheme of compromise. It was in his opinion that this “great measure of reconciliation” struck “the popular heart.” [Senator William] Bigler of Pennsylvania had proposed that the Crittenden Compromise be submitted to popular vote, and Seymour assured the senator that Bigler’s suggestion was “here regarded as vastly important.”
He thought the measure would carry New York by 150,000 votes in a referendum . . . [and] Republican congressmen who feared to support the compromise would be glad of the chance to throw the responsibility on their constituents.
[Author] James Ford Rhodes fortified one’s belief in the good judgment of Seymour when he studied the defeat of Senator Crittenden’s proposals. In view of the appalling consequences the responsibility of both Lincoln and Seward for the defeat is heavy, if not dark — in spite of all that historians of the inevitable have written of “this best of all possible worlds.” The committee to which Crittenden’s bill for compromise was referred consisted of thirteen men. Crittenden himself was the most prominent of the three representatives from the Border States.
Of three Northern Democrats, Douglas, of Illinois was the leader; of five Republicans, [William] Seward was the moving spirit. Only two men sat from the Cotton States, [Jefferson] Davis and [Robert] Toombs. Commenting on the fateful vote of the committee, Rhodes observed:
“No fact is clearer than that the Republicans in December defeated the Crittenden compromise; few historic probabilities have better evidence to support them than the one which asserts that the adoption of this measure would have prevented the secession of the Cotton States, other than South Carolina, and the beginning of the civil war in 1861 . . . It is unquestionable, as I have previously shown, that in December the Republicans defeated the Crittenden proposition; and it seems to me likewise clear that, of all the influences tending to this result, the influence of Lincoln was the most potent.”
In January the House refused, by a vote of 113 to 80, to submit the Crittenden Compromise to the people. About the same time the Senate joined this action by a vote of 20 to 19. Two-thirds of each House, however, recommended to the States a compromise thirteenth amendment to the Constitution, as follows: “No amendment shall be made to the Constitution which will authorize or give Congress the power to abolish or interfere, within any State, with the domestic institutions thereof, including that of persons held to labor or service by the laws of said State.”
Conservative Republicans voted with the Democrats to carry this measure of which Lincoln approved in his inaugural address.”
(Horatio Seymour of New York, Stewart Mitchell, Harvard University Press, 1938, pp 222-224)
Lincoln's Real Motive
Lincoln’s belief that the American South after solemn conventions of its States remained part of his government was a fiction to which he clung throughout the war, surpassed only by his belief that ten percent of the voters of a State can determine its legal and constitutional government. He refused to believe that his own authority as president was limited, and the supremacy of his political party over country motivated him.
Bernhard Thuersam, www.Circa1865.com
Lincoln’s Real Motive
“From Mr. [Robert] Toombs, Secretary of State, Message No. 5, Department of State, Montgomery, Alabama, May 18, 1861.
To: Hon Wm. L. Yancey, Hon. Pierre A. Rost, Hon. A. Dudley Mann, Commissioners of the Confederate States, etc.
Gentlemen: My dispatch of the 24th ultimo contained an accurate summary of the important events which had transpired up to that date, and informed you that the Executive of the United States had commenced a war of aggression against the Confederate States.
On the 20th instant the convention of the people of North Carolina will assemble at Raleigh, and there is no doubt that, immediately thereafter, ordinances of secession from the United States, and union with the Confederate States, will be adopted.
Although ten independent and sovereign States have thus deliberately severed the bonds which bound them in political union with the United States, and have formed a separate and independent Government for themselves, the President of the United States affects to consider that the Federal Union is still legally and constitutionally unbroken . . . He claims to be our ruler, and insists that he has the right to enforce our obedience.
From the newspaper press, the rostrum, and the pulpit, the partisans of Mr. Lincoln, while they clamorously assert their devotion to the Union and Constitution of the United States, daily preach a relentless war between the sections, to be prosecuted not only in violation of all constitutional authority, but in disregard of the simplest law of humanity.
The authorized exponents of the sentiments of [Lincoln’s party] . . . avow that it is the purpose of the war to subjugate the Confederate States, spoliate the property of our citizens, sack and burn our cities and villages, and exterminate our citizens . . .
[The] real motive which actuates Mr. Lincoln and those who now sustain his acts is to accomplish by force of arms that which the masses of the Northern people have long sought to effect – namely, the overthrow of our domestic institutions, the devastation and destruction of our social interests, and the reduction of the Southern States to the condition of subject provinces.
It is not astonishing that a people educated in that school which always taught the maintenance of the rights of the few against the might of the many, which ceaselessly regarded the stipulation to protect and preserve the liberties and vested rights of every member of the Confederacy as the condition precedent upon which each State delegated certain powers necessary for self-protection to the General Government, should refuse to submit dishonorably to the destruction of their constitutional liberty, the insolent denial of their right to govern themselves and to hold and enjoy their property in peace.
In the exercise of that greatest of the rights reserved to the several States by the late Federal Constitution – namely, the right for each State to be judge for itself, as well of the infractions of the compact of the Union, as of the mode and measure of redress – the sovereignties composing the Confederate States resolved to sever their political connection with the United States and form a Government of their own, willing to effect this purpose peacefully at any sacrifice save that of honor and liberty, but determined even at the cost of war to assert their right to independence and self-government.”
(A Compilation of the Messages and Papers of the Confederacy 1861-1865, James D. Richardson, Volume II, US Publishing Company, 1905, excerpt, pp. 26-31)